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		<title>By: June Underwood</title>
		<link>http://blog.lisacall.com/2007/03/respect.html#comment-10131</link>
		<dc:creator>June Underwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 04:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that most serious artists who work with traditional quilting techniques pull out of the majority of "quilt art" exhibits after 12 --15 years. A few of the exhibits may still garner entries, but not many. 

What is also true, however, is that serious artists who work with quilting techniques can sometimes make a living in the world of quilt artists/ art quilters. So while they are quietly moving to gallery representation and solo shows, they still teach and show up at the popular quilt/art quilt venues.

I really don't think this is a controversial issue -- it's a matter of growth, and growth that seems natural within the medium that we work. Because of the democratization of art and the more easily entered art quilting world, newbies come in who may not understand the process. But I find none of my contemporaries and peers thinking that they can rest easily within the quilt art world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that most serious artists who work with traditional quilting techniques pull out of the majority of &#8220;quilt art&#8221; exhibits after 12 &#8211;15 years. A few of the exhibits may still garner entries, but not many. </p>
<p>What is also true, however, is that serious artists who work with quilting techniques can sometimes make a living in the world of quilt artists/ art quilters. So while they are quietly moving to gallery representation and solo shows, they still teach and show up at the popular quilt/art quilt venues.</p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t think this is a controversial issue &#8212; it&#8217;s a matter of growth, and growth that seems natural within the medium that we work. Because of the democratization of art and the more easily entered art quilting world, newbies come in who may not understand the process. But I find none of my contemporaries and peers thinking that they can rest easily within the quilt art world.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
		<link>http://blog.lisacall.com/2007/03/respect.html#comment-10057</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like many other art quilters, I started making traditional quilts and moved on to creating original designs. Over time, my definition of "success" has changed a lot. Here are the different views of ultimate achievement I've been through, even though I haven't actually done all of them.

1. The quilt guild challenge and state fair exhibit
2. The Paducah and Houston quilt shows
3. Art quilt shows
4. All-media art exhibitions
5. Solo exhibits and gallery representation
6. Worldwide acclaim as an "important artist"

I've just started work on Stage 5 and I'm only entering selected juried shows as a way to keep my work out there until a gallery says yes. It's taken me about 14 years to get to this point, but when I consider how far I've come, I'm amazed I've been able to adapt my mindset so rapidly. I suspect that many other art quilters get stuck at Stage 2 or 3, because it's a comfortable place to be. Others, like Lisa and June, are ready for Stage 6, but know they need to go through #5 first. The problem is leaving the quilt-related baggage behind. I'm having trouble doing it myself, but I know it's ultimately necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like many other art quilters, I started making traditional quilts and moved on to creating original designs. Over time, my definition of &#8220;success&#8221; has changed a lot. Here are the different views of ultimate achievement I&#8217;ve been through, even though I haven&#8217;t actually done all of them.</p>
<p>1. The quilt guild challenge and state fair exhibit<br />
2. The Paducah and Houston quilt shows<br />
3. Art quilt shows<br />
4. All-media art exhibitions<br />
5. Solo exhibits and gallery representation<br />
6. Worldwide acclaim as an &#8220;important artist&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve just started work on Stage 5 and I&#8217;m only entering selected juried shows as a way to keep my work out there until a gallery says yes. It&#8217;s taken me about 14 years to get to this point, but when I consider how far I&#8217;ve come, I&#8217;m amazed I&#8217;ve been able to adapt my mindset so rapidly. I suspect that many other art quilters get stuck at Stage 2 or 3, because it&#8217;s a comfortable place to be. Others, like Lisa and June, are ready for Stage 6, but know they need to go through #5 first. The problem is leaving the quilt-related baggage behind. I&#8217;m having trouble doing it myself, but I know it&#8217;s ultimately necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: Alyson B. Stanfield</title>
		<link>http://blog.lisacall.com/2007/03/respect.html#comment-10028</link>
		<dc:creator>Alyson B. Stanfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 20:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Lisa. This is an amazing discussion that needs to exist! Kudos to you and those who have commented for thinking about this important topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Lisa. This is an amazing discussion that needs to exist! Kudos to you and those who have commented for thinking about this important topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat,
Are you saying that old-fashioned quilts - the kind made to go on a bed - aren't art?
Laura</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat,<br />
Are you saying that old-fashioned quilts - the kind made to go on a bed - aren&#8217;t art?<br />
Laura</p>
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		<title>By: Kevan Lunney</title>
		<link>http://blog.lisacall.com/2007/03/respect.html#comment-9999</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevan Lunney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2007 04:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree completely, with Pat. 
Art considerations are art considerations, no matter the form or substance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree completely, with Pat.<br />
Art considerations are art considerations, no matter the form or substance.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Dolan</title>
		<link>http://blog.lisacall.com/2007/03/respect.html#comment-9998</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat Dolan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2007 03:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, too, have been struggling to move beyond the quilt show circuit and into the art world. The quilt world is "comfortable." Our work is sought out by show committees throughout the world. Advertisements and on-line application forms make it easy to find venues and easy to apply. But if I consider my work to be "art," then I must leave the "quilt" part of it behind me and move into the art world, which is a different arena altogether. Neither better nor worse, simply different. One major reason for the difference is that quilters place far more importance on technique than on the basic principles of design, which are potentially of primary importance for artists. Can you imagine an art judge looking at the back of a work to determine if the piece should be accepted or win an award? To what end? And what purpose is there in counting how many stitches per inch in the art world? None whatsoever. That would be like counting the tiny lines of a brush stroke in an oil or acrylic painting. Again, what is the value of that? Those are technical questions, but they do not define art, although they may indicate a level of craftsmanship.

For me, quilting is a technique of expression - my medium of choice at this particular time in my life. I spent 20 years as a transparent watercolorist and loved that until it became too predictable/boring for me to continue. I had met all my own personal challenges for growth with the medium and longed for something I could not define at the time. Now I know what I was seeking - depth, texture, a richness of layers that is minimal, at best, with watercolor. Mind you, this is simply my perspective - I do not speak for other artists in any medium.

So if we want to be considered seriously in the art world, we must stop referring to our work as "quilts" - art or otherwise. That one word puts a definition on our work that is limiting and not authentic. Yes, quilting has been the basis for the development of our art, but we do not make quilts, per se. Quilts, by most authoritative sources, are bed coverings. We make art and use fibers, fabric, threads and more to create our works of art.

It is my belief that artists, if they want to mature as artists, must actively seek out good critiques by their fellow artists or art educators. Critiques, when done properly, speak to the work itself: does it hold together, does it have good balance/harmony/tension/etc., does your eye travel the surface and come full circle to encompass the entire composition, is there a good focal point, do the colors work well or would the introduction or subtraction of a color be beneficial to the whole, do you feel you accomplished what you set out to create in this piece, and so on. With thought provoking questions such as these, artists are encouraged to consider their work from many different perspectives. They are invited to step back from their work and view it differently and learn from that experience. Is that difficult? Of course! Our creations are, in many ways, our offspring and we are rarely impartial about either. Yet learning to be objective is vitally important if we wish to improve either as artists or as parents (or anything else, for that matter). 

Interestingly enough, even as as a watercolorist with a large body of work and plenty of local sales, was too timid to even consider approaching galleries with my work. Back then, I lived in rural America and couldn't imagine going to the "big city" with my work. Now we lived between New York and Philadelphia and I'm still somewhat timid about approaching city galleries. But it has nothing to do with my medium of choice - it is my own level of insecurities that stands in my way. And I wouldn't be too surprised if that wasn't the main reason why many artists haven't moved to a higher professional standing - low self-esteem.

So onward and upward. Keep on writing, challenging, questioning. It's good for all of us and I, for one, am most grateful for the discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, too, have been struggling to move beyond the quilt show circuit and into the art world. The quilt world is &#8220;comfortable.&#8221; Our work is sought out by show committees throughout the world. Advertisements and on-line application forms make it easy to find venues and easy to apply. But if I consider my work to be &#8220;art,&#8221; then I must leave the &#8220;quilt&#8221; part of it behind me and move into the art world, which is a different arena altogether. Neither better nor worse, simply different. One major reason for the difference is that quilters place far more importance on technique than on the basic principles of design, which are potentially of primary importance for artists. Can you imagine an art judge looking at the back of a work to determine if the piece should be accepted or win an award? To what end? And what purpose is there in counting how many stitches per inch in the art world? None whatsoever. That would be like counting the tiny lines of a brush stroke in an oil or acrylic painting. Again, what is the value of that? Those are technical questions, but they do not define art, although they may indicate a level of craftsmanship.</p>
<p>For me, quilting is a technique of expression - my medium of choice at this particular time in my life. I spent 20 years as a transparent watercolorist and loved that until it became too predictable/boring for me to continue. I had met all my own personal challenges for growth with the medium and longed for something I could not define at the time. Now I know what I was seeking - depth, texture, a richness of layers that is minimal, at best, with watercolor. Mind you, this is simply my perspective - I do not speak for other artists in any medium.</p>
<p>So if we want to be considered seriously in the art world, we must stop referring to our work as &#8220;quilts&#8221; - art or otherwise. That one word puts a definition on our work that is limiting and not authentic. Yes, quilting has been the basis for the development of our art, but we do not make quilts, per se. Quilts, by most authoritative sources, are bed coverings. We make art and use fibers, fabric, threads and more to create our works of art.</p>
<p>It is my belief that artists, if they want to mature as artists, must actively seek out good critiques by their fellow artists or art educators. Critiques, when done properly, speak to the work itself: does it hold together, does it have good balance/harmony/tension/etc., does your eye travel the surface and come full circle to encompass the entire composition, is there a good focal point, do the colors work well or would the introduction or subtraction of a color be beneficial to the whole, do you feel you accomplished what you set out to create in this piece, and so on. With thought provoking questions such as these, artists are encouraged to consider their work from many different perspectives. They are invited to step back from their work and view it differently and learn from that experience. Is that difficult? Of course! Our creations are, in many ways, our offspring and we are rarely impartial about either. Yet learning to be objective is vitally important if we wish to improve either as artists or as parents (or anything else, for that matter). </p>
<p>Interestingly enough, even as as a watercolorist with a large body of work and plenty of local sales, was too timid to even consider approaching galleries with my work. Back then, I lived in rural America and couldn&#8217;t imagine going to the &#8220;big city&#8221; with my work. Now we lived between New York and Philadelphia and I&#8217;m still somewhat timid about approaching city galleries. But it has nothing to do with my medium of choice - it is my own level of insecurities that stands in my way. And I wouldn&#8217;t be too surprised if that wasn&#8217;t the main reason why many artists haven&#8217;t moved to a higher professional standing - low self-esteem.</p>
<p>So onward and upward. Keep on writing, challenging, questioning. It&#8217;s good for all of us and I, for one, am most grateful for the discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Lori Witzel</title>
		<link>http://blog.lisacall.com/2007/03/respect.html#comment-9989</link>
		<dc:creator>Lori Witzel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2007 21:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, what a rich thread!

Lisa, I know you know I lurk often, and I love what you're trying to do (usually very successfully IMO) in your work.

Rather than post on the Ragged Cloth Cafe site, since I am far more a stranger there than here, wanted to share something that struck me.

One of the bits in the post that triggered your response fired me up:
"The art that sticks in our minds is the art that has something to say." The example given was Picasso's Guernica.

Oh my goodness. Art as polemic, art as political commentary, is the implied best, and what needs to be done to merit respect and "elevate" quilting? 

What about the Zen calligraphic tradition? Matisse's beautifully-realized philosophy of "Luxe, calme et volupté"? Klee? Translations of Rumi (I love Coleman Barks' versions) and other mystic poets? And, for that matter, certain silk prayer rugs? Sand paintings?

Isn't providing a transportive magic carpet also worthy of respect?

*sigh*

Shows and how they're organized may foster weak work, but I suspect the greater issue is how any of us can create work with transportive power that reaches beyond our moment in culture and time, power to dissolve our small self into some other larger Moment. And I also suspect few in any medium and any tradition will succeed -- but it's worth the attempt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, what a rich thread!</p>
<p>Lisa, I know you know I lurk often, and I love what you&#8217;re trying to do (usually very successfully IMO) in your work.</p>
<p>Rather than post on the Ragged Cloth Cafe site, since I am far more a stranger there than here, wanted to share something that struck me.</p>
<p>One of the bits in the post that triggered your response fired me up:<br />
&#8220;The art that sticks in our minds is the art that has something to say.&#8221; The example given was Picasso&#8217;s Guernica.</p>
<p>Oh my goodness. Art as polemic, art as political commentary, is the implied best, and what needs to be done to merit respect and &#8220;elevate&#8221; quilting? </p>
<p>What about the Zen calligraphic tradition? Matisse&#8217;s beautifully-realized philosophy of &#8220;Luxe, calme et volupté&#8221;? Klee? Translations of Rumi (I love Coleman Barks&#8217; versions) and other mystic poets? And, for that matter, certain silk prayer rugs? Sand paintings?</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t providing a transportive magic carpet also worthy of respect?</p>
<p>*sigh*</p>
<p>Shows and how they&#8217;re organized may foster weak work, but I suspect the greater issue is how any of us can create work with transportive power that reaches beyond our moment in culture and time, power to dissolve our small self into some other larger Moment. And I also suspect few in any medium and any tradition will succeed &#8212; but it&#8217;s worth the attempt.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://blog.lisacall.com/2007/03/respect.html#comment-9980</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2007 14:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's interesting that the "what is art" question we tossed around as students in the 70's is still being tossed around all these years later. I went to school when the only serious art being looked at was conceptual art. As a mostly realistic painter I was sort of left out of this mix and have made my living as a custom ceramic tile artist--definitely considered decorative art by most. I also paint, sculpt, collage and generally enjoy myself. As I've gotten older and become the caretaker of the laces, quilts, embroideries and other lovely items my great grandmothers and grandmothers made I have a true appreciation for the arts women have used to express themselves throughout time. Watercolor, until recently, was not considered a serious path to study in art school because it was "woman's art", used by Victorian women in their afternoon studies. Men used it as a sketch medium but it might be argued that women developed watercolor as art. When I was in art school I had to study watercolor as an independent study. Fortunately I got to study with a wonderful Chinese man who was an amazing calligrapher and watercolorist and he took my under his wing. 
Is it art? Just say yes and everyone else will fall into line with you....and if they don't get it? Who cares? The role of the artist has always been to push the edges out a bit more, to change the shape of our thoughts, to urge an expansion of comprehension and imagaination, yes? Who cares if it is decorative or fine or applied or graphic? Today all those boundaries are blurring even more as the computer technologies and photography continue to evolve. Let's just support each other and say "good work! good art! and keep on truckin'" as someone old and wise once said....;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting that the &#8220;what is art&#8221; question we tossed around as students in the 70&#8217;s is still being tossed around all these years later. I went to school when the only serious art being looked at was conceptual art. As a mostly realistic painter I was sort of left out of this mix and have made my living as a custom ceramic tile artist&#8211;definitely considered decorative art by most. I also paint, sculpt, collage and generally enjoy myself. As I&#8217;ve gotten older and become the caretaker of the laces, quilts, embroideries and other lovely items my great grandmothers and grandmothers made I have a true appreciation for the arts women have used to express themselves throughout time. Watercolor, until recently, was not considered a serious path to study in art school because it was &#8220;woman&#8217;s art&#8221;, used by Victorian women in their afternoon studies. Men used it as a sketch medium but it might be argued that women developed watercolor as art. When I was in art school I had to study watercolor as an independent study. Fortunately I got to study with a wonderful Chinese man who was an amazing calligrapher and watercolorist and he took my under his wing.<br />
Is it art? Just say yes and everyone else will fall into line with you&#8230;.and if they don&#8217;t get it? Who cares? The role of the artist has always been to push the edges out a bit more, to change the shape of our thoughts, to urge an expansion of comprehension and imagaination, yes? Who cares if it is decorative or fine or applied or graphic? Today all those boundaries are blurring even more as the computer technologies and photography continue to evolve. Let&#8217;s just support each other and say &#8220;good work! good art! and keep on truckin&#8217;&#8221; as someone old and wise once said&#8230;.;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Sylvia Weir</title>
		<link>http://blog.lisacall.com/2007/03/respect.html#comment-9970</link>
		<dc:creator>Sylvia Weir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2007 03:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lisa, it seems that you are calling for work to have artistic integrity---and not simply focusing on the latest technique-- a call to move to ART from craft.

When I first read your post, I thought you meant for more 'statement' quilts---to me, most of the ones I have seen that express some sort of political or social commentary are too sentimental in their approach---and without that statement and implied response are not particularly well designed or executed. 

Perhaps a good place to start would be a request to have quilt shows 'judged' by a non-quilter artist. A small step but nonetheless---a step.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa, it seems that you are calling for work to have artistic integrity&#8212;and not simply focusing on the latest technique&#8211; a call to move to ART from craft.</p>
<p>When I first read your post, I thought you meant for more &#8217;statement&#8217; quilts&#8212;to me, most of the ones I have seen that express some sort of political or social commentary are too sentimental in their approach&#8212;and without that statement and implied response are not particularly well designed or executed. </p>
<p>Perhaps a good place to start would be a request to have quilt shows &#8216;judged&#8217; by a non-quilter artist. A small step but nonetheless&#8212;a step.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
		<link>http://blog.lisacall.com/2007/03/respect.html#comment-9956</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 15:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm a painter with a strong interest in traditional quilt patterns.  Does an artist need to make a self-conscious statement with his or her work (whether it be political or formal) in order for the work to be "good" or have depth?  I don't think so.  I've spent many hours in the last two years looking at historical, geometric quilt patterns and find them to be imbued with a tremendous amount of depth, mystery and meaning.  I wish more contemporary quilters would look to traditional patterns for inspiration and don't understand why some quilters find it necessary seperate themselves from tradition by defining their work as art quilts.  It's all art to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a painter with a strong interest in traditional quilt patterns.  Does an artist need to make a self-conscious statement with his or her work (whether it be political or formal) in order for the work to be &#8220;good&#8221; or have depth?  I don&#8217;t think so.  I&#8217;ve spent many hours in the last two years looking at historical, geometric quilt patterns and find them to be imbued with a tremendous amount of depth, mystery and meaning.  I wish more contemporary quilters would look to traditional patterns for inspiration and don&#8217;t understand why some quilters find it necessary seperate themselves from tradition by defining their work as art quilts.  It&#8217;s all art to me.</p>
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